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Fatalis · Jul 31, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Gerbill

How can you make a site, with scrolling content, when you click a link you only want the content part to change. but not using an Iframe.

By using frames, but it's still the same thing, and the drawbacks outweight the benefits of this approach by leaps and bounds. Don't use them and make proper pages instead.

Gerbill · Jul 31, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Fatalis

By using frames, but it's still the same thing, and the drawbacks outweight the benefits of this approach by leaps and bounds. Don't use them and make proper pages instead.

So proper pages are without any frames for that matter ?

How about just using tables for your layout pictures and having a stretching content area ?

Fatalis · Aug 01, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbill

So proper pages are without any frames for that matter ?

That is correct.

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Originally Posted by Gerbill

How about just using tables for your layout pictures and having a stretching content area ?

Table tags are meant to display tabular data, not to build layouts with. Img tags are meant to display content graphics, not to include presentational graphics with. The images whose purpose is only decorational should be kept within CSS. And the idea to completely replace all textual content with images is just daft.

Gerbill · Aug 01, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21

I don't think you completely understand me there.

first of all I never make the full layout and textual content with images, cuz that is as you say daft.

secondly I mean using img tags in the tables to align the pictures for the layout for as far as the pictures are used in the lay out.
you can of course use Div alignments or coordinates I guess, but that's a lot more work.

Semiotic · Aug 01, 2005, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by Fatalis

There is no CSS used there at all and the markup is a tag-soup. You should review the sources you learn from.

Note: "trying" - meaning I intend on learning/including CSS, but it doesn't mean I've used it yet.

Similarly - Considering I only started using HTML 2 days before beginning this thread, and I don't see the need to indent or space HTML to facilitate understanding (because at the moment the page is so small its easily readable), I'm not surprised its a 'tag-soup'.

I didn't start this thread to show off my web-building skills - because I dont have any - just so I could get any positive feedback and see other people's sites. Which, it seems, are generally depressingly professional looking.

Vorkronor · Aug 01, 2005, 12:12 PM // 12:12

Semiotic,

here's a few suggestions, that should help you build your website in the easiest way.

You should start with content and structure. Let me explain that a little bit.

Step 1)
Open any decent text editor (jext, TextPad, PSPad) and start with a blank page template (so you have the correct invisible markup, that should be a part of any webpage), but try to use only the basic tags:

p - for paragraphs
a - for hyperlinks
h1 - h6 for headers
and maybe some lists (ul, ol)

You will get a clean layout with all the content you want to have on the page.

Step 2)
Take a pencil and a sheet of paper and draw, how you want the contents to be layed out on the page. Add images into the mix.

Step 3)
Search the web for some ideas on how to style your contents. Some usefull links can be found here
_________
As for some specific things, that I did not like on your page avoid text/background combination with low contrast. Black text on red background is not legible.

Fatalis · Aug 01, 2005, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by Gerbill

secondly I mean using img tags in the tables to align the pictures for the layout for as far as the pictures are used in the lay out.
you can of course use Div alignments or coordinates I guess, but that's a lot more work.

Nope, I understand you perfectly, and what you're saying means an abuse of both img and table tags.

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Originally Posted by Semiotic

Similarly - Considering I only started using HTML 2 days before beginning this thread, and I don't see the need to indent or space HTML to facilitate understanding (because at the moment the page is so small its easily readable), I'm not surprised its a 'tag-soup'.

It has nothing to do with indentation. If you actually read the article:

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Tag soup is HTML code, written without regard for the rules of HTML structure and semantic meaning.

You're using practices from many years ago, which are by now completely outdated. Don't use center tags, don't write your tags in uppercase. Include a HTML DOCTYPE declaration. Remove all the presentational fluff and tables and use CSS instead. And then validate your code.

Gerbill · Aug 01, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Alright Fatalis, CSS it is.
Do you by any chance happen to know any sites that give a proper explanation on most things about CSS ?

Fatalis · Aug 01, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Yeah, I do.

http://del.icio.us/popular/css
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
http://alistapart.com/
http://www.csszengarden.com/
http://cssvault.com/
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/

Gerbill · Aug 02, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Aye, thanks, I better try some tutorials soon, and make a site with CSS.

Ikinsey · Aug 03, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Heres my hand made website for my clan, MoX: http://www.moxclan.com

varyag · Aug 03, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26

http://wrathofnature.info

Thinking about improving the layout, but it works and I'm busy.

Araloth · Aug 09, 2005, 12:11 PM // 12:11

http://www.tenaikpt.tk - temporarily crappy host until my leader gets back from vacation and puts it on his own domain -_-

Ingeronic · Aug 09, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Warrior Nation

www.warriornation.net

my names WNxIngeronic there, the biggest clan i've ever seen

.

Dame&Beast · Aug 09, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

www.deathcomesswiftly.com

Gaiserik · Aug 10, 2005, 07:41 PM // 19:41

[HVC] Havoc Legion
http://havoc.l2-go.com

We're new to game, about a 2 month old clan, but we all came from Lineage 2 where we owned a castle et. al.

obSiNatee · Aug 11, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21

YO! DIVINE WRATH

lea_nuhks · Aug 14, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10

hello, mine is www.destroyerofguilds.com its not fancy and there isnt anything on the main page yet as i have been working on the code for the gallery and such, but i am designing my own makeshift nuke style templates for my domains to share. i also host my domains on my own server and run my own dns.

now if i could just get a hall. lol.

SecUnder · Aug 15, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Hi, I would like to welcome everyone to visit my guild on the website I have spent a lot of time developing, with custom scripting, a custom template (which I am going to design many themes for), and much more like articles, a lexicon, etc etc. Our website is:
http://www.eternitylost.com
The guild is The Eternal Knights, we are an active guild of around 14 members and growing, we recently redesigned our cape (possibly one of the best looking in many peoples opinion, even outside the guild), and we have the usual guild hall and teamspeak server any established guild should have.

lea_nuhks · Aug 15, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59

well, any guild with a website, should at least host a ts server. in fact, i would say ts would be more important than the website for coordination... forums dont hurt either

Aug 01, 2005, 12:12 PM // 12:12	#26
Vorkronor Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czechia, Europe Guild: Drums Of Doom Profession: N/E	A few suggestions for the start Semiotic, here's a few suggestions, that should help you build your website in the easiest way. You should start with content and structure. Let me explain that a little bit. Step 1) Open any decent text editor (jext, TextPad, PSPad) and start with a blank page template (so you have the correct invisible markup, that should be a part of any webpage), but try to use only the basic tags: p - for paragraphs a - for hyperlinks h1 - h6 for headers and maybe some lists (ul, ol) You will get a clean layout with all the content you want to have on the page. Step 2) Take a pencil and a sheet of paper and draw, how you want the contents to be layed out on the page. Add images into the mix. Step 3) Search the web for some ideas on how to style your contents. Some usefull links can be found here _________ As for some specific things, that I did not like on your page avoid text/background combination with low contrast. Black text on red background is not legible. Last edited by Vorkronor; Aug 01, 2005 at 12:45 PM // 12:45.. Reason: you do a few typos, don't you? :)

Aug 11, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21	#37
obSiNatee Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005	YO! DIVINE WRATH Last edited by obSiNatee; Aug 11, 2005 at 02:25 AM // 02:25..

Aug 15, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#40
lea_nuhks Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005 Location: the catacombs Guild: destroyer of guilds [dogs] Profession: N/R	teamspeak well, any guild with a website, should at least host a ts server. in fact, i would say ts would be more important than the website for coordination... forums dont hurt either

Aug 01, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21	#24
Gerbill Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Frozen plains. Guild: The Llanowar Legion [LL] Profession: Me/N	I don't think you completely understand me there. first of all I never make the full layout and textual content with images, cuz that is as you say daft. secondly I mean using img tags in the tables to align the pictures for the layout for as far as the pictures are used in the lay out. you can of course use Div alignments or coordinates I guess, but that's a lot more work.

Aug 01, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05	#28
Gerbill Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Frozen plains. Guild: The Llanowar Legion [LL] Profession: Me/N	Alright Fatalis, CSS it is. Do you by any chance happen to know any sites that give a proper explanation on most things about CSS ?

Aug 01, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07	#29
Fatalis Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Riga, Latvia Profession: E/R	Yeah, I do. http://del.icio.us/popular/css http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ http://alistapart.com/ http://www.csszengarden.com/ http://cssvault.com/ http://css.maxdesign.com.au/

Aug 02, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08	#30
Gerbill Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Frozen plains. Guild: The Llanowar Legion [LL] Profession: Me/N	Aye, thanks, I better try some tutorials soon, and make a site with CSS.

Aug 03, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47	#31
Ikinsey Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cali Guild: Mercanaries of Xero Profession: N/Mo	Heres my hand made website for my clan, MoX: http://www.moxclan.com

Aug 03, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26	#32
varyag Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Wrath of Nature [Fury] Profession: Me/Mo	http://wrathofnature.info Thinking about improving the layout, but it works and I'm busy.

Aug 09, 2005, 12:11 PM // 12:11	#33
Araloth Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Dark Edge Profession: R/Me	http://www.tenaikpt.tk - temporarily crappy host until my leader gets back from vacation and puts it on his own domain -_-

Aug 09, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#34
Ingeronic Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005	Warrior Nation www.warriornation.net my names WNxIngeronic there, the biggest clan i've ever seen .

Aug 09, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38	#35
Dame&Beast Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Death Comes Swiftly Profession: Me/E	www.deathcomesswiftly.com

Aug 10, 2005, 07:41 PM // 19:41	#36
Gaiserik Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Havoc Legion Profession: W/N	[HVC] Havoc Legion http://havoc.l2-go.com We're new to game, about a 2 month old clan, but we all came from Lineage 2 where we owned a castle et. al.

Aug 14, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10	#38
lea_nuhks Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005 Location: the catacombs Guild: destroyer of guilds [dogs] Profession: N/R	hello, mine is www.destroyerofguilds.com its not fancy and there isnt anything on the main page yet as i have been working on the code for the gallery and such, but i am designing my own makeshift nuke style templates for my domains to share. i also host my domains on my own server and run my own dns. now if i could just get a hall. lol.

Aug 15, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11	#39
SecUnder Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego CA Guild: Eternity Lost and Found Profession: A/	Hi, I would like to welcome everyone to visit my guild on the website I have spent a lot of time developing, with custom scripting, a custom template (which I am going to design many themes for), and much more like articles, a lexicon, etc etc. Our website is: http://www.eternitylost.com The guild is The Eternal Knights, we are an active guild of around 14 members and growing, we recently redesigned our cape (possibly one of the best looking in many peoples opinion, even outside the guild), and we have the usual guild hall and teamspeak server any established guild should have.